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prettyful_unicorn
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« on: June 10, 2005, 03:50:38 PM »

Well I was looking at the karnivor and noticed that the vert ASA is right where the front block is.  I was thinking that maybe it's possible to get my cocker to look like a karni by pluging up the original ASA air holes and adding an asa to the front block.  Or Maybe I could make an all new front block with an ASA but with an added back so the airflow will flow as usual but the reg will just be further up.  Here are some pics:

This is how I was thinking my cocker would look.  Also you could put a -15 degree ASA instead of a Vert one.
Unfortunately I do not have Photoshop so I had to do this on paint.


Here is a picture of what I am thinking the custom front block/asa would look like.  This was also done on paint because I don't have cash to buy that high-tech computer 3D modeling stuff.


What do you think?  Is it possible?  And if so, do you know anyone that could mill a prototype for me?
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2005, 04:07:01 PM »

Wow, that is pretty ambitious. I'm not so clear, however, on what the benfits would be. Is it just for uniqueness? How does it differ from the mini process?
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2005, 04:19:25 PM »

well mostly it is for uniqueness or looks.  However, it is almost the same as a mini cocker, except when you -15 degree it the reg will be farther from the trigger frame like on the Karni, whereas on other guns I have seen it almost looks too close to the frame(Actually touching it)
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2005, 02:05:42 AM »

Ok I took a look at a Karni and saw how it works. Looks like it's specifically for the reverse 15 degree ASA ... not sure why you'd want it on a normal gun. Then again, there was such a thing as a rail extender for automag foregrips. Go for it!
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2005, 12:57:46 AM »

i did a reverse 15* on both my E1s by just turning the 15* around.  The solenoid wire still goes thru the actuating rod hole even with it backwards. seeing though that you have a worrblade you wont be able to just turn it around as the trigger gaurd is larger.  Couple guys on PBN talked about doing that karni frontblock conversion about 3 weeks ago.  Seems that they couldnt come up with a karni front block, WGP wont part with em.  The asa wont just screw into the bottom of the front block, so you would have to find a mini front block that doesnt have an integrated asa.
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2005, 12:40:39 PM »

You can take the frontblock from the WGP tactical autococker. It's a frontblock including an -15° ASA. I dit so, I asked WGP and I got the frontblock  and installed it at my Cocker. I closed the three redundant ASA-bores/holes in the body by short screws and sealed it up with teflonband (you also can take loctite). But you have to cut threads in these two ASA/Air holes to install the screws.

Here are two pictures of it (you have du do "cut and paste"):

http://www.pbportal.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=27096

http://www.pbportal.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=27095

(Sorry for my bad english, I'm from Germany. I hope you understand me^^)
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2005, 08:57:07 PM »

ahh, i forgot about the vf tactical...
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