05 Black magic - a mid block?

[yuu]

From the front page of www.worr.com



Electronic features:
• Auto on/off
• Auto eye on/off
• Auto trigger antibounce
• Bi color L.E.D.
• On/off membrane switch
• Ergo frame
• EZ system directions

Standard features:
• Delrin bolt with vertical pull pin
• Side cocking system
• Shortened high flow bolt
• Removable clamping feed tube
• Customer 3D milling
• Cam lock front block
• Adjustable low pressure regulator
• World class WGP lifetime limited warranty
• Ergonomic trigger frame with integrated bottom line rail
• Adjustable inline regulator

So it's a side cocking (got me) vertical pin (maybe slotted hammer) mid block looking thing...  Near as I can tell for far.  

Discuss.

[drg]

It's about f'in time WGP put out a factory halfblock/midblock/special body. It's such a no-brainer.

[drg]

Welp the full-body pics from the JT site (and mirrored here) are making the rounds. What do you guys think?



Personally I think this is a wise move by WGP, assuming they have respected any existing patents on the design. Halfblocking is one of the most desirable cocker customizations and at present the aftermarket is not fulfilling demand. The market is nowhere near saturated. Furthermore, the design addresses the aesthetics questions present in most halfblock designs by enclosing the bolt and block in stylized metal. Whether you like the way it looks or not, it does offer something different/better than other halfblocks to date.

[OrryMan]

All I can say is Heck Yes!  I wonder what the MSRP is going to be on the thing... it looks pretty sweet and I have a feeling I will be purchasing one within a short time of its release, unless they sell the body alone in which case I will be purchasing that alone.  Anyways, I wonder if it has some sort of mQ-type valve in it or if they use the pin/hammer like current halfblocks.  Also, I wonder how it connects the pump arm to the bolt, cant tell in the picks as it is the wrong side.  The last question that i have is what E-frame they put on it, i assume it's the refreshed version of the WorrBlade.  Either way, i like their solution for the bolt/milling, and it's a great step forward for halfblocks!

[yuu]

From what I've gathered so far:

I'd expect it to cost more than a SuperStock, less than a karnivor ~Think $800 ish

Based on this:
• Delrin bolt with vertical pull pin
• Side cocking system
• Shortened high flow bolt

I'm going to guess that it's going to be somewhat like a catapult.  But Suposedly there is a 'new' cocking system for it... If that is true, then they can't really use a pin and slitted hammer combo.

For the frame, from the descripting it's going to be the Worr-Frame.  The same frame as is on the 05 Superstock.  There is no 2nd gen Worrblade being produced, at least at this time.

[OrryMan]

Yea, I was going to guess something between 8-900.  And about the WorrBlade, the one on the current superstock is a version 1.5 of sorts, it has some enhanced bounce features and i believe it has a ramp option in accordance to PSP rules.  Also, if you look at the description off the worr site the Blade on the new Black Magic has "bi-color" led's as well as other features not previously available on a WorrBlade.  Anyhow, more important is how refined the measurements are for the SON setting, as that will be the important one for an MQ valve   :twisted: .

And about those patent issues that they may have (or may not have, nobody knows yet) I really wouldn't mind if they stole the design from bob long or any of those other companies.  If those companys were operating smoothly and allowing people to get conversions without waiting for several months + i would be upset, but with the way things stand right now those smaller companies just don't provide the services and need to either smooth out operations or get out of the buisness.

[yuu]

The current Worr-frame have bi colored LEDs - red n green, really nothing to write home about.

This comes from the super stock page on worr.com:
"Do you feel that it is time for some serious firepower? WGP has just released the Super Stock SF Autococker® Marker. The Super Stock SF stands for Select Fire capabilities. Whether you want Ramping, Semi Auto, Full Auto, or 3 round burst, all are available. Plus there is a demo / practice mode to show off the marker’s capabilities in the store, as well as a gold hang tag to draw attention to the new Select Fire features. The Super Stock SF is capable of incredible rapid firing rates and exceptional accuracy."

So if you not the mention of Select Fire and note the mention of Select Fire on the BM teaser.  This leads me to belive it's the same frame  as is already availible... which isn't going to work with the mQ

The Worr-frame does not allow you to tune any of the timing settings like the Eclipse or Race frames do - so no SON setting for you... Yeah no fun.

Well, I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong) that the concept of a slotted hammer and pull pin is a patented design.  It's basically what all current halfcockers use and they are from a bunch of different and competeing companies.  If someone had a patent on it we might no see as many (or a few is it now?) half cocker manufacturers.

What I was saying is it might be a new system, not the hammer and pin idea.  Something I saw some place (now I can't find it) was talking about an "All new cocking system"  Time will tell.

It looks cool, but I'm not a fan of that Worr-Frame, especially on a high-ish end peice of kit like the BM should be.

[OrryMan]

Yea, I have to agree with you there.  However, due to an inherent flaw in my logic I will probably end up purchasing a new BM anyway, and just replace the frame with an E2 and stick the worrblade on my 03 prostock or something.  That way i can MQ it and have more options for timing (which i would want anyways.)  Plus i think i have a spare nexus kit lying around somewhere...  

[drg]

It will be interesting to see what effect R. Long's purported patent on the turtle cocking system has/had on the design.

[OrryMan]

So anyone have any ideas when they will be releasing this thing or when they will be giving us a release date?  I don't follow WGP really closely, is there a formula they follow when releasing stuff or is my guess as good as yours?  By the way my guess is either they'll release it sometime at the end of the season, (october or something)or they'll wait till next march or somewhere in there. And yea, i hope they don't wait too long before they release some more pics because i want to know how that cocking system works  :?:            

**EDIT**

Just checked the WGP site and it has been moved to the *markers* area, where there is a banner announcing its release in summer of 2005!

[crash]

http://www.armyoforr.com/blackmagic.asp

Take a look at a full picture of the Black Magic

[OrryMan]

So they know what people were looking for, a shot of the cocking assembly for it.  It doesn't look like anything new, just a sled-version similar to a fastback i believe?  But, it looks like it should be different enough to keep them out of trouble in the patent office and allow them to begin mainstreaming halfblocks (whether or not that's a good thing is still up for debate).  Though i can't say that I like the trigger frame they put on it (as we descussed earlier) I do like the milling and lack of alot of extra aluminum.  Should prove to be an extremely light marker.  Another disappointing feature is the lack of integrated TRV's on it as is on their MP-4 ram...  Thought for sure they'd throw that on there.  Oh well, maybe it will reduce the price a little more... After seeing the pneu's and the rest of the gun I doubt it will sell very well if it retails for any more than 700, seeing how that's what Proto's are going for. (at least at my proshop)

Oh and don't bother trying to order a body alone...  I'm about 90 percent sure they won't do it for at least for a year or two if ever.  I called to see if they would sell me a superstock or even prostock without the trigger frame or even the body alone and it was a no-go.

[drg]

Thanks for the heads up. I'll post this and mirror.

Re: the front end gear, I think what they put there is consistent with the place in the Autococker pantheon it will occupy. It's not the new high-end. The adjustable sledge and STO ram should be plenty fast but it still leaves some upgrade path and, I can only hope, keeps cost down.

[yuu]

Though I have never seen a Cataplut in person (and of course not the new BM), it looks to me, that it is a lot like the Catapults system.

[Stalker]

Here ist another Pic from  the BM