THE FUTURE OF WGP? Worr? budd orr?

[karnivor707]

Ok does anybody know about whats to come for 07 with WGP. I heard some rumor that there is a new gun in developmnet that Worr is gonna make thats suppose to be higher end than the karnivor or blackmagic. does anybody know any links to this info if thats true? ok also. Can a t board fit inside the newer black magic frame with minimal modification? just curious.

also vote! on poll

[Snowman]

As far as I know T-board will fit without ANY mods.... and WGP is pretty much dead to me, making low end guns...making that cheesy s/f frame. If they made a new highend I would be VERY surprised, but if they did it would probly change how I think of them.

[Wicked_Chicken]

Yeah... WGP is really sort of in my "Meh" category.  Do I think they are going anywhere soon? Probably not, due to the K2 merge.  Do I think they are going to come up with anything groundbreaking?  Nothing as revolutionary as the Original Cocker, or say, the MQ valve.

Let's face it.  Some of the greatest design feats for the Cocker have been designed by partied OTHER than WGP.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Karnivor to death, but one great product is never enough to save a company.

Not only that, but the number of companies producing higher end markers has probably quadrupled over the last couple years.  I remember not having to scroll down a web page when looking for parts.  Now I've got like 3 pages of Manufacturers ALONE!   But do I mind?  Hell no!  Competition only benifits the end user, and that's me

[Banned4EmoBashing]

i think wgp should come out with a low-end ELECTRO for competition with the ion, instead of the mech trilogy. because anything that will take ions out of peoples hands is worth being in this poll.

[Snowman]

They're making the new worrlock and worrlord.....I'm dissapointed to say the least. It's compairable to an ego meaning cockers=officialy a thing of the past. :evil:

[Dees_Troy]

Based on what I'm seeing here:

http://paintballvelocity.blogspot.com/2006/10/new-wgp-worrlord.html

I would say that the Worrlord should be a pretty good product.  It needs the MQ, if it doesn't have one already, but it does fix the one thing about the cocker that I loathe: having to clean in between the front pneumatics.  Even if I go a whole day without getting hit in the marker, I always get some spray that has to be cleaned up.  It appears to be a halfblock from the get-go, something that WGP should have done a long time ago.

It's closed bolt and everything about it looks to be a cocker except that all the individual parts are now integrated and covered up.  It still has the LPR, ram (with integrated QEVs), and pump arm just like a normal cocker.  Given the direction most markers are going where most of it isn't really upgradable and everything is integrated, I think this is the right direction for WGP to go.  If you can drop in an MQ, I'd be very interested in owning one.

[JustAKarni]

i dont know where the company is going but right now it doesnt look like they are going to the top.

that worrlord looks disgustingly ugly.

and there is another ""high" end marker that is halfblocked not ssure what its called i think its pretty much a karni. ill find a pic

[Dees_Troy]

I guess I don't understand what you mean when you say that WGP needs something to compete with current high-end markers.  A halfcocker alone is a huge leap and puts it right where it needs to be in my opinion.  A halfcocker with QEVs and no MQ is still quite capable of cycling 30+ times per second, well above the maximum rate of fire in all of the major tournaments as far as I know.  The halfcocker conversion makes the Worrlord quite a bit smaller by eliminating the back block and beaver tail.  The new Worrlord, from the spec sheet that I linked, has dual ball detents, breakbeam eyes, and multiple modes of fire including those to support most major tournaments.

With the BPS cap in most tournaments effectively ending the insane ROF push, we're left with accurracy, weight, size, and reliability being our determining factors.  I doubt we need to question accuracy.  The halfcocker switch with the Worrlord should significantly reduce the weight and size.  While mechanical-only cockers were fairly tempermental, the combination of electronic timing with integrated LPR, ram, and pump arm should result in reliable operation.  With the MQ upgrade, the picture only gets better, further reducing weight and kick while increasing cycle speeds.

What is it that the Worrlord is missing besides the MQ that it needs to compete?

[JustAKarni]

imo it needs to be less ugly and more upgradeable ....... not to sure if it will be a competative marker

[Dees_Troy]

What does the Worrlord really need?  It already has a good ram with QEVs and, IMHO, a good LPR.  Some people may not have much faith in the WGP LPRs and rams, but I've used Ticklers and MP4s with much success.  That's really all that won't be easily upgraded on the new Worrlord.  The HPR, bolt, valve (probably), hammer (probably), grips, board, trigger, feedneck, etc. should all be easy upgrades.  Certainly there's no reason to think that someone won't make an integrated front block to replace the WGP factory bits.  However, I still ask why?  It already comes with a clamping feedneck, delrin bolt, adjustable HPR, on/off ASA, reasonably efficient and low pressure valve, etc.  All of these parts will almost certainly still be upgradable on the new Worrlord.

The paintball market and industry has changed quite a bit from the way it was in the late 90s and early 2000s.  We're no longer limited to the Angel, Autococker, Automag, Spyder, or Tippmann markers.  New high-end markers come new with almost all the bells and whistles we want.  Sure, some things like the trigger and grip are personal preference, but with a 15bps cap, most markers are more than capable of delivering the speeds needed reliably meaning that we don't need to upgrade like we used to.

If I bought a Worrlord, I'd almost certainly put on the MQ if they still fit and WGP hasn't replaced the valve/hammer setup.  After that I'd probably swap in a CP reg for the HPR and maybe replace the feedneck because I had a twist-lock get stuck on a hopper once.  Both of these latter options are personal preference though and certainly not necessary.