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« on: May 16, 2005, 08:54:45 AM » |
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i was woundering if anyone can shed some light on this kit ? is it reliable because i have heard of the 2 piece body being held togther by 1 screw or something like that ? any info would be great i am gonna get a kit and its between the zforce kit or the disruptive kit
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2005, 09:09:55 AM » |
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It is held together by 2 screws and a pin. Some people have voiced concerns about the fact that these screws are relatively small, but Warped Sportz LA has assured users it is plenty strong. If you go to their site ( http://www.warpedsportzla.com/marketing/zforce/separated_body.htm), they have a picture of the body separated and you can see how the screws and pin are arranged. I have not seen any owners report problems with durability of the screw/pin setup, and I personally would not hesitate to get this kit. If I were building a halfblock from scratch, the Z-Force would rate high on my list. |
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2005, 11:23:38 AM » |
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what do u think would be the better of the two?
the zforce or disruptive?
i know the zforce has the eye laying down and the disruptive has the eye in the same exact way as any other eblade . does this matter?
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PsychoMonkey
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2005, 02:30:35 PM » |
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I was also interested in the body kit... One big question I have is how well the eye worked being in a different position that it's designed for... Probably not a big deal but still wondering..
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napa3uT
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2005, 01:37:06 AM » |
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I do not own this kit, but I think, the steel screws, screwed into aluminium body it's not good. aluminium is soft, and finally threads will go off, especially if you have to separate the body to replace an eye.
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2005, 01:52:32 AM » |
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A lot of people have expressed doubts about the two-piece body but I have yet to see any reports of trouble with it. The guns have been out for some time now so it seems like the design is fine. I personally would not worry about it. As long as you assemble properly I see nothing inherently bad about the design, although you do have a point in that it is more difficult to take the eye out to clean, etc. But it seems like Warped Sportz stands behind its design.
Most reports I have seen say the Z-force eye position is no problem reading paint. One person did mention having problems, although he wasn't sure if it was a stray light issue. I bet it just needed a little tuning. I wouldn't worry about it.
One BIG thing to know about Z-forces though is that they take Merlin-style valves.
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2005, 01:39:51 PM » |
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i seen a Z-force body
very nice
but the pump rod breaks all the time it did 2-3 times untill he got a custom one made out of stainless
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2005, 08:58:17 AM » |
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One BIG thing to know about Z-forces though is that they take Merlin-style valves. Merlin-style valves? Does that mean the MQ valve won't fit? |
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2005, 04:30:06 PM » |
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Merlin-style valves? Does that mean the MQ valve won't fit?
Yes, that is true until they make a Merlin-stye valve. They mostl likey will, since a significant number of people have Merlins and Z-Forces, and most of them have enough money to get an mQ. |
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2005, 06:27:13 PM » |
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wow, that seriously changes my short term plans...
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2005, 01:18:58 PM » |
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That is correct. But I've heard that an adapter is in the works. It's going to be a thrid party product, not from PBX labs.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2005, 12:23:30 AM » |
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I personally think they are kinda cool, but at the same time do not like them. The main thing I do not like is the back block. I like how the back block has the offset pump arm hole to accept a screw from the back. (many of you turtle owners know about the trouble it requires to remove the back block to adjust it.) The complaint is it being aluminum...it is heavier for one, and you risk it rubbing (when rotating slightly) against the body below it. A delrin back block would be an easy change to make for them and would make it much better. I do like the 2-piece body, but was also a little scared by the two 4-40 screws and one pin holding the top tube on. Think about it, you add your hopper with 200 rounds in it, and your barrel, sticking out 12+ inches and you've got a few too many things to potentially shear off those screws. Granted, it is unlikely, it is still not something I would want to worry about it. They did a few things right, but it still isn't that great. I also wouldn't hesitate to get one (but I would probably end up making a new back block!)  |
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2005, 12:25:35 AM » |
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4-40 seems a little small ... is that really the size they use? That's the same size as the Eblade eye cover screw!
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2005, 12:28:54 AM » |
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that is the number I remember... now you made me wonder. You can go dig up my history and see where I posted about that when it first came out EDIT: Even if it was a 6-32, it still is too small for comfort. I KNOW it wasn't an 8 or larger. EDIT 2: Looking at the picture...  The screw head (socket cap allen) is a tiny bit larger than the eye (which measures ~.160") A 6-32 is WAY too big to be the screw shown in that picture. The head of a 4-40 socket cap allen screw measures .183" which looks almost exactly like what is shown in the picture.  Too small for my tatse. |
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